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charsmithis@ho tmail.com

Have you visited the Neways home site lately?  They've introduced all sorts of new words and definitions into the nutritional and biochemical arena.

We all remember "somatotropin", "GH", "IGF-1", IGF-2", etc. This was BioGevity's claim to fame!

http://www.biofactors.com/oral-spray.htm

IGF stands for "Insulin-like Growth Factor", but Neways has redefined it to now stand for: "Intensified Growth Factors"

Folks, they are making this stuff up as they go along!  Talk about bastardizing a science! Neways intends to rename and redefine the standard nomenclature to protect themselves from legal liability and criticism from the FDA. I imagine they think this will protect them from Dr. Epstein's concerns, as well, since Biogevity and MEN'S hIGH FORCE 1 no longer contain IGF-1 and IGF-2 (ten times stronger than HGH), but now magically contain "the higher concentration of growth factor complex of lurong extract" (velvet deer antlers).

And "IGF-1" now stands for "Intensified Growth Factors".  Absolute total science fiction. They have gone beyond simply stealing from the efforts of anti-aging research specialists to saying pretty much anything they darn well please so as to cover their own rear ends!

Remember what Tom Mower said on his recent telephone conference call to distributors: "So let's talk about what we've done with BioGevity. We've taken our growth hormone and our growth factors and we have now added many features to this. This product is incredibly powerful because it has IGF-1 and IGF-2 growth factor complex of Lurong extract (deer antlers).  Taken in the morning, Professional Strength Formula BioGevity works more effectively when used in conjunction with Men’s or hIGh Force 1 (Men’s and Women’s) Like Professional Strength Formula BioGevity, Men’s and Women’s hIGh Force 1 reintroduce youthful levels of IGF-1 to your body. Both the men’s and women’s formulas utilize bovine colostrum and lurong extract, ingredients rich in IGF-1."

And BioGevity is now described in this way:  "BioGevity has been reformulated to provide IGF's (Intensified Growth Factors) to your body's diminishing supply of these factors. Growth factors themselves are dynamic nutritional support for cellular growth, and an array of body functions that encourage youthful energy and dynamic health."

I guess BioGevity no longer contains somatotropin and GH ("wink"). And it does not contain any IGF-1 or IGF-2, as announced in their recent conference call ("wink").  So the FDA does not need to be concerned. And Dr. Epstein needn't worry about possible carcinogens in BioGevity.  Because  somatotropin has been renamed "growth factor complex" and IGF-1 and IGF-2 have been renamed "Intensified Growth Factors".

This is going to set research into anti-aging back another couple of years...

Clever marketing - good legal maneuvering - lousy science.  Fraudulent product. Major scam.

My desire is to discover the TRUTH about Biogevity. If I am wrong, then it would be a fairly simple matter to prove it. Neways has made NO effort to do so. And please don't confuse determination with pathos...

Please feel free to point out those contradictions, here or in the AntiAging Research forum. I have nothing to hide and no ulterior motive. My web sites are unfunded and non-profit.

> This would be a good forum for the discussion of Anti-aging, if it wasn't for your personal agenda. This forum has no objectivity. I am very disappointed.

The AntiAging Research forum supports many different points of view. Yours is welcome, as well. Please feel free to post your thoughts and opinions. Free speech and dialogue have made America great! I am often times frustrated with what is posted, but rarely disappointed.

Tom Mower claims each dosage contains at least 300 nanograms! You should be upset with him rather than me, if what you say is true. Nevertheless we appear to be in agreement in that Biogevity is a useless and ineffective product.

Where did I say Dr. Cranton is unbiased? His clinics uses injectable HGH - obviously it is his favored mode of hormone replacement. That doesn't disqualify him from the discussion, anymore than it would disqualify Tom Mower for making incredible profits from the sale of his BioGevity magic potion. What matters is the science and the truth behind the hype. Dr. Cranton has a foundation of accepted traditional science backing him up - Tom Mower has nothing but testimonials...

Much the same as does Tom Mower. I have no problem with that. Why should you or anyone else?

Let's discuss specifics and avoid generalization. Which conclusions do you disagree with? Which hypothesis requires additional testing? He speaks of real science when he states that HGH is too large a molecule to be absorbed sublingually, which is fundamental to the validity of BioGevity. His foundation is known science - no further testing required in that regard! Why does that fact bother you so much?  Dr. Roy Dittman is the inventor of the "polymer matrix formula" and he says that Neways does not have one. There's another fact you probably are not willing to accept.

Who is trying to "get the other guy"? I'm trying to uncover the truth about Biogevity and HGH oral sprays in general. Aren't you interested in the truth? I have praised Neways in almost every other regard. But BioGevity is a glaring mistake they refuse to admit to because they are profiting greatly from it.

Let's settle this particular issue for once and for all - shut me up in this regard - and clear the air all the way around. Have one of your regular contacts at the FDA put a statement in writing that HGH in an OTC product such as BioGevity is legal and approved by the FDA.  Either it is or it isn't - either you're telling me the truth or you're not! Have them "validate the legality of these products" publicly!  Tell the FDA to put up or shut up - challenge them to clarify the law pertaining to the prescription drug HGH and it's regular use in MLM nutraceuticals. With all of your regular contact, this should be an easy thing for you to accomplish. I'll publish an apology on the Internet and tell the world I was wrong.  But I won't hold my breath waiting for you to deliver...

Who has authorized this change in Federal statutes and when will it be implemented?

> There are new compounds on the market called preservatives. Preservatives are compounds found in almost every product we consume. Preservatives are responsible for the 10,000 year half-life of the Twinky and hot-dog.  GENENTEC, the joint patent holder of recombinant Growth Hormone, sells liquid  rGH products. It is not impossible to have rGH in liquid form, it just requires proper preservation techniques.

Gosh, I've never heard of "preservatives" before! So the HGH in Biogevity lasts for a year or more through the use of preservatives? Why doesn't Eli Lilly know about this? If it works for Neways, it should work for Eli Lilly (they do have a LITTLE experience with HGH). Tom Mower needs to license his secret "preservatives" to Eli Lilly, since the HGH they make (and sell to Neways) only lasts for two weeks.

> On a personal note, my father has been on an oral GH product for 1 year. By  this time, all the placebo benefits of most of the homeopathic products are gone. Most of the common homeopathic products on the market contain absolutely no rGH, just water, alcohol, and the faint vibration of a molecule long diluted away.

See, there's another thing we agree on - homeopathic HGH products don't work.

Congratulations! I'm truly happy for your father. Since you've stated: "I do not believe the NEWAYS product BIOGEVITY is worth a crap." what product does your father use? I would be interested to know!

Neways does not have to fail - they are a good company with good products. Where have I tried to discredit "every product in their line"? What did I miss? My focus is on one bad product - BioGevity. Chevrolet made the "Corvair" - it was a dangerous car and a bad product, even though it was popular. That didn't make General Motors a bad company. Are you able to make those subtle distinctions?

Ralph Nader said the Corvair was "Unsafe At Any Speed". I'm saying BioGevity is a waste of money at any price. And we all know how wrong Ralph Nader was.

03-04-00

After running across Dr. Roy Dittman's name in connection with several HGH oral spray MLM companies - most notably Regenesis, Quantum Leap, and Neways - I presumed he was most likely a college drop-out scientist quack-for-hire who simply used a basic knowledge of chemistry and biology nomenclature to give those companies a pseudo-scientific basis for making their claims and selling lots of product. 

Boy, was I ever wrong.

After several long phone conversations and much correspondence with Dr. Dittman, I've come to understand that just the opposite is true. A genuine scientist with many credentials and much experience, Dr. Dittman has been and remains at the forefront of the research in this field. I am preparing a detailed report on HGH oral sprays (and especially Neways "BioGevity"), which will include a report from Dr. Roy Dittman on the topic of polymer matrix formulas. Here is a preview:

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Science Fiction or Science Facts? Dispelling the Growth Hormone Absorption Myth –Recent Research Reviewed By Roy Dittman, OMD 

The Big Scam At the Big Top of the Dietary Supplement One Trick Dog and Pony Show Since the first introduction of an oral GH supplement (micro-dilution) and since the original patents were filed on the MMC in 1996, over 150 new GH products have flooded the market with amazing claims trying to cash in on the lucrative anti-aging market baby boomers have demanded.  Although only about eight of these products actually claim to contain GH or imply they can deliver GH (the rest are just precursors or secretagogues of GH and are therefore completely distinct from oral GH), these eight products have successfully confused consumers, keeping hidden the simple fact that any doctor will confirm – GH is too large to be absorbed through the mouth without a proven delivery method, which if discovered  (it has been), would rock the bio-tech industry.  These GH products claim that even if GH is not absorbed, it is still effective.  Moreover, some claim to have uncovered the secretformula for delivery.  I find this hard to believe, since such a discovery would at the very least warrant the filing of patents to protect their discovery.  It is humorous to note that following the discovery of MMC-2000™, my home and the home of one of my business associates was broken into; confidential files were stolen; and a number of companies admittedly were in the process of trying to reverse engineer MMC-2000™.  So, how did the market get confused?  Why have usually rational, mature baby boomers swallowed these phony products hook, line, and sinker?  Number one – most of them want to believe there is some secret Fountain of Youth – they'll do almost anything if it promises to make them look younger.  When consumers read books on GH, they are seduced by the promises of GH.  After all, GH is the most exciting rejuvenating substance ever discovered.  Number two – some of these scams are cleverly deceitful and sophisticated.  Some are so sophisticated that it would take a well-trained scientific researcher to see through them. 

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Many web sites and MLM companies which claim to sell Human Growth Hormone in oral sprays for sublingual delivery refer to either the "polymer matrix formula" or Dr. Dittman in explaining how they work. We now know, with certainty and authority, that these companies are selling a lie. The most exciting aspect of all this is that Dr. Dittman may actually have an effective formula for accomplishing the delivery of some large molecule substances such as HGH. It is patented, it is explainable, it is tested, it is proven.  The most important aspect to acknowledge right now is that Neways does NOT have a polymer matrix formula and therefore BioGevity does NOT deliver HGH sublingually.  They are about to be exposed. And not by the rantings and ravings of a self-proclaimed Internet consumer advocate, but by the doctor presented on many of their distributors web sites as the inventor and developer of the very "polymer matrix formula" which is absolutely essential to the integrity of BioGevity.

My fully documented report and Dr. Dittman's report and research will be published on the AntiAging Information web site next week.  

Robert Burtis

AntiAging Information

You are demonstrating a genuine sense of ethics and integrity I had hoped would rise above all else.  I hope I'm wrong! I'm 48 and getting older just like everyone else. I just about faint when I see a needle and certainly can't afford injectable HGH.  If BioGevity worked, I'd be a customer.

But if it really worked, it would be a simple matter to explain how it works and why and provide some clinical studies. At the very least they could offer some support to their distributors such as yourself who have gone way beyond the call of duty to defend the product. 

I'll post a preview of my full report on Biogevity tomorrow and would appreciate an honest critique. Only a few people will have a chance to suggest changes, additions, or corrections before I post it on the AntiAging Information web site next week. But I respect your input and will consider your ideas.  I think it's a good summary of the issues and I've provided as much backup info and references as possible.

> As you know I supported Neways fully, and sadly I have not received any answers to some of my simple concerns and questions.  After repeatedly emailing and calling some of the top representatives within this company, I have received silence.  My intention always was to support them and get my concerns answered. Afterall, I am promoting them and I deserve to have an explanation.

I want to thank you for the information. I state the same thing on my website about Human Growth Hormone. That is why we sell all natural amino acids. Thanks again for the information, I will certainly pass on your letter.

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3-3-00

Hello Char,

The distribution of recombinant Growth Hormone in micro-dilutions is
acceptable.  The FDA visits our laboratory quarterly and continually
validates the legal distributing and selling of our recombinant Growth
Hormone products.

Independently, we contracted a laboratory to analyze many of the more
popular products on the market today, including BIOGEVITY.  The amount of
Growth Hormone is minimal.  BIOGEVITY tested twice at .20 nanograms per
milliliter.

Samples were tested using Nichols Institute Laboratory's Chemiluminescent
HGH Assay in accordance with NIL operating instructions.  The linearity of
this test is standardized from 0.0 ng/ml to 55.0 ng/ml.  All assays were
performed in duplicate and were diluted with 0.0 ng/ml calf serum blank to
maintain the same matrix as the standards.

I would instead be concerned with using ingredients like IGF-1, IGF-2, and
other hormones. Growth Hormone is the master hormone of the body which
controls the production of other hormones such as testosterone, IGF-1,
IGF-2, etc.  When these other hormones are added directly through
supplementation, it takes the body out of homeostasis, or balance.  Instead
of GH which has several decades of research associated with it, I would
instead investigate how many studies have been conducted on the
supplementation of these other ingredients found in BIOGEVITY.  There are
many products on the market with several hundred and thousands of times the
rGH content as BIOGEVITY without a single complaint or side effect.  I would
also investigate the quality of the product and the use of proper
preservatives and GMP.

Because one product is bad, it is wrong to taint the entire industry. Many
hundreds and thousands of people are receiving positive benefits from GH
supplementation.  Personally speaking, of the tens of thousands of bottles
of product sold through our company, we have yet to receive one report of
adverse side effects.  Not one.  Less than a dozen bottles in total have
been returned because the customer just felt the product was not for them.
This is a pretty good testimony as to the efficacy and quality of the
products we manufacture.

Good luck in your efforts.

Eldridge

3-2-00

Hi,

Thanks for the info.  I have asked my web master to take my website: www.beyoungforever.com  down, as I am so disenchanted with the greed and apparent lack of health concern of Neways.  Selling carcinogen free personal care  products is admirable, but then ALSO selling something that may or does cause cancer is unconscionable and smacks of greed. Certainly not Christian!!!!! 

I've taken all the Neways pages from my website this morning, and I am disassociating myself from Neways international completely. RC USA

Char,

"Please fill me in on the details of your fiasco with Rex (Quantum Leap) as I have 
also experienced a fate similar to yours to the tune of $ 40,000 and am not very happy.

I am currently with Neways, and am trying to give them every benefit of the doubt that I
can; but find it very difficult to handle some of the communication problems that arise
on a one-to-one basis.

Thanks for any info you can provide." U.S.A.

Hi, Char-

I think you should stand your ground. It's your name!

Check out some of these web pages:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-314218.html?tag=

"Web site publishers are giving up domain names too easily when there are conflicts, according to Michael H. Davis, an intellectual property law professor at Cleveland State University's College of Law. "People are rolling over left and right because the people with the money and resources are overreaching," Davis said, and they may not always have legitimate claims.

said he was shocked and frightened by the strident, intimidating letter he received from the New Yorker's lawyers in October. It accused him of "trademark infringement, unfair competition, and dilution under both federal and state law." Worse yet, it threatened severe punishment
including monetary damages, interruption of his Web site, and plaintiff's attorney fees.

The letter demanded that Schiff "immediately cease and desist from all further infringing use of The New Yorker, change the name of your Internet site, assign the thenewyorker.com domain name to our client, and destroy all advertising and promotional materials bearing the mark."

"The minimum advice I would have given him is hold onto [the domain name] unless [The New Yorker] is willing to pay for it. This guy just rolled over and got nothing," Davis said."

I think Neways would have a legal right to protect their trademark IF you were trying to sell a product LIKE BioGevity. You own the domain name you paid for - if Neways wants it, they should BUY it from you and you know they could afford it. Filing the most basic court action against you would cost much more than the $1500 you were asking.

Besides, Neways own cancer consultant has expressed concerns that the BioGevity product may cause cancer and you are providing your domain name for a link to my web site as a public service.

I'd not only hang on to the name, I'd up the price at this point!

They do NOT want a public battle (which me and the WorldWide Scam Network would headline across the Internet) which would highlight their bad attitude and public indifference to selling a possible carcinogenic product, against the advice of their own consultant.

Would they??

Keep me updated!

I've spoken one-on-one with Dr. Roy Dittman (twice) the developer
of the "polymer matrix formula", who used to be working for
Neways. He is still testing the theory - the formula does not really
exist or work consistently - the foundation for the entire delivery
system for BioGevity does not exist! And no one at the company
makes ANY effort to present a defense for it.

Two primary issues Neways will not address AT ALL:

1. There is no "polymer matrix formula" or anything like it. Neways
has NO way of delivering HGH into the human body sublingually. If
they did, they would be selling oral spray insulin, an established
market (and a much smaller molecule!), which would bring billions
of dollars into the company. Why don't they? They can't!

Or maybe Tom Mowers doesn't want to cure diabetes and
Neways doesn't need the money...

2. rHGH, HGH, GH, or whatever they want to call it is a controlled
and federally regulated substance, available only by prescription and
under a doctor's supervision. Selling it any other way is a felony. Dr.
Week's told me in his e-mail that he has confirmation both verbally
(from Tom Mowers) and in writing that Neways gets their HGH
from Eli Lilly.

Dr. Barbara Brewitt sent me this information:

"Dallas-based Quantum Leap agrees to destroy nearly 15,000
bottles of human growth hormone-containing Regenesis and
Lifespan products under a recent settlement with Texas Attorney
General John Cornyn.  Filed in Dallas County District Court, the
Asssurance of Voluntary Compliance also requires Quantum Leap
cease distributing the products without FDA approval, as well as
pay $45,000 to the state for penalties and fees and refund
consumers their purchase price.  Genetically synthesized HGH
is available only with FDA approval or a doctor's prescription."

(The Tan Sheet April 7, 1997, p.1)

Hopefully, the FDA will want to make an appearance in the
courtroom trial which Neways has filed against Char Smith.

Conclusion: If BioGevity does contain real growth hormone, they
are breaking serious federal statutes and should be prosecuted.
And even if they are getting away with selling HGH over the
counter, they have no way of delivering the HGH into the body.
It's all hype and testimonials.

They have made NO completed independent studies available to the
public, either proving safety or efficacy. The public is being used
as guinea pigs, but the money and the distributor testimonials keep
rolling in.

Meanwhile, distributors who have bad experiences with BioGevity
are simply sued! Here's what Char Smith wrote about his wife's
experiences with Neways "fountain of youth":

My wife took the BioGevity product and had very bad results with
it.

She is 55 y/o and started taking the product because of all the hype.
Unfortunately, after taking BioGevity for several weeks my wife's
hormones got really screwed up.  She stated to lactate so we took
her to an Endocrinologist at Thornton Hospital UCSD Medical
Center in La Jolla, CA.  After seeing a specialist and running
hundreds of dollars worth of tests, the doctor concluded that it
very well could be the BioGevity product and Human Growth
Hormone.  She advised us to stop the use of the hormone and after
a week or so my wife stopped lactating.

We will be going to the doctor tomorrow and will be requesting
the lab results for evidence in the lawsuit brought against
us by Neways.  I will publishing that evidence when it becomes
available.  I also know of 2 other women that took the hormone
and started to experience hormonal imbalance and got very nervous
about taking the product.   After our experience with the BioGevity,
we would not endorse it at all and feel that it is dangerous.  Neways
is upset with my website, but will be more upset as more and more
people come forward with negative testimonials of the use of
unregulated hormones and the negative effects on their bodies.  I
feel that the public should be aware of both the negative and positive
effects of the product.  We are consulting with attorneys for a
counter-lawsuit against Neways for the damages caused by this
unregulated hormone  product. We will file a motion for the pain
and suffering and all the hospital expenses that we continue to incur.

I'm going to begin filing direct complaints with the FDA and the
FTC and make these problems much more public. The Neways
lawsuit against Char Smith will make the job that much easier. I
have a few contacts with Inside Edition and some of the news
magazines, as well. Great story line - "This is Jane Pauley, and
tonight on Dateline: the fountain of youth, the FDA and FTC,
selling federally controlled substances via MLM, documented
cases of serious health problems, untested oral spray hormones,
and the best part - the company sues a former distributor with sick
wife! All tonight, on Dateline!"

The emperor has no clothes! And yet, there is SO much money at
stake for this "fountain of youth" flagship "sizzle" product, that they
will shield a known scam artist like Rex McMurray (who fleeced
hundreds of people while selling the same product at Quantum Leap
which was shut down by the FTC for reasons which included
selling HGH) and disregard the advice and concerns of their own
cancer consultant, Dr. Epstein, who worked directly with Tom
Mowers in designing their non-carcinogenic product line. They
will let this one product sink the reputation of this entire excellent
company!

Dr. Epstein appears to be softening his stance as well. Apparently
he is concerned that people shouldn't use carcinogenic products on
their skin and when washing their socks, but he does not object to
people spraying potential carcinogens into their mouths three times
a day. With a heavy schedule of promotional speaking engagements
on behalf of Neways, I can understand his reluctance to take a
stand in this regard. He is a great man with high standards and
principals, but apparently Neways gets a pass on BioGevity. It
seems rather hypocritical to praise Neways for their
non-carcinogenic product line on the one hand and make speeches
on behalf of the company around the world, while looking the
other way when their biggest selling product contains substances
which he feels are very dangerous and may be carcinogenic.

I am working with Dr. Klatz and the American Academy of
Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M) to develop the CERC (Consumer
Education and Resource Council) for these reasons. There is no
independent organization which can help these products and
companies perform self-regulation and self-policing. BioGevity is
only one of many similar OTC products which are putting God
knows what into spray bottles and selling it through MLM
downlines to aging baby boomers searching desperately for the
"fountain of youth".

Look at what Neways promises:

With Professional Strength Formula BioGevity and Renu, the
vivacious feelings of youth are at your fingertips. Live with zest,
and thrive with Neways’ IGF supplementary regimen.

 Health Support Benefits

      Aids the Body in Maintaining Healthy Energy Levels
      Supports Normal Immune Function
      Supports Body’s Natural Inflammatory Response
      Helps Maintain Healthy Cardiovascular Function
      Promotes Normal Cholesterol Levels
      Enhances Athletic Performance
      Supports Healthy Sexual Function
      Promotes Lean, Healthy Musculature
      Aids the Body in Natural Weight Management
      Helps the Body in Dealing with Injury/Surgery
      Aids the Female Body in Maintaining Normal Ovulatory Cycles
      Supports the Feelings and Vigor of Youth

Professional Strength Formula BioGevity Factors and Co-factors

      IGF-1 (Insulin-like Growth Factor)
      IGF-2
      GH
      EGF-1 Urogastrone (Oral Epithelial Growth Factor)
      EGF-2 (Epidermal Growth Factor)
      TGF-B1 (Transforming Growth Factor)
      TGF-B2 (Tissue Growth Factor)

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Which, of course, they promptly follow with:

"Note: These products have not been clinically tested as formulas
for any of these conditions and no claims are being made for the
effectiveness of them."

That's in case people like Char Smith and his wife have any
serious medical consequences, or anyone develops cancer at
any time.

Time to turn up the heat!

Robert Burtis
AntiAging Information
The WorldWide Scam Network

Balanced, objective, and right to one of the primary issues.

Let's hope Neways people can offer some solid information
and contribute to the discussion in a constructive way, rather
than the usual "Studies are planned for...", "We have provided
Dr. Epstein with information...", "It is generally known that..."

We need facts, information, and specifics!

Keep up the good work, John!

Robert Burtis
AntiAging Information

webmaster@globalthink.com wrote:

 
NEWAYS, *PLEASE* GIVE US DOUBLE-BLIND CLINICAL STUDIES !

Note: I invite everyone's participation in finding out the facts,
 so we can put these issues behind us.

 The Biogevity and Cancer issues needs to be resolved NOW.
 I suggest we have a public fact-finding.
We can hold the dialogue/debate in the GlobalThink chat room, or wherever.
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 Current dialogue between:
 John Szczepanik <>john@globalthink.com>
 Robert Burtis <>info@thesurfboard.net>
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ISSUE: Biogevity, IGF-1 and Cancer ?
http://www.antiaginginfo.net/cancer.htm

Robert Burtis has a website, WorldWideScam.com, which contains a webpage
that is endorsed by Dr. Epstein, Neways cancer consultant.

Dr. Epstein endorses many of Neway's products.

"...my endorsement of Neways products relates specifically and exclusively to
their cosmetics and toiletries. Under no circumstances does such endorsement
extend to their nutritional supplements which I have not reviewed.

        Robert says this about Neways,
        Believe it or not, I support Neways as one of the best companies
        around. Their primary product line is superior and Dr. Epstein's
        endorsement is an important validation of their quality and high
        standards.

Robert Burtis of WorldWideScam.com and
Dr. Epstein of Neways consultant do *not* endorse Biogevity.

On Robert Burtis's Anti-Aging website,
this is what Dr. Epstein has to say about Biogevity,

        This is an exact quote from Dr. Epstein:

        "I again confirm my well-documented and long-standing position
        on the grave hazards of elevated IGF-1 blood levels. These
        concerns clearly extend to nutritional supplements and anti-aging
        medications based on IGF-1, and on HGH which functions by
        elevating IGF-1 levels, apart from the fact that such dangers are
        almost invariably undisclosed.

Note to Robert:
Isn't the Biogevity and Cancer? graphic (on your site) misleading?
Isn't the issue IGF-1 and Cancer ?
Wouldn't changing your graphic reflect an objective view ?

The question Robert asks is:

        Does the use of substances which increase one's HGH, IGF-1,
        or IGF-2 in an oral spray such as BioGevity increase one's risk
        of developing cancer?

        According to Robert's webpage, Dr. Epstein says yes.

This is the *issue* that I am concerned about.
Does anyone else think this is important ? Afterall, a well-known doctor,
and Neways cancer consultant, Dr. Epstein, is saying this product is dangerous.

THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED NOW!
*WHERE* ARE THE STUDIES THAT DISPROVE THIS ?

As a Neways distributor, I care about the safety of this product.
Let the record show, that I support Neways because I
believe they have integrity and that their product, Biogevity works.

However, Dr. Epstein disagrees.
This is a valid point and I want to know the answer!

The longer no one addresses this, the BIGGER it's going to get.

*If there is a study that disproves this, let's see it.

*If there isn't then just change the formula!

It's a simple solution. Everything gets resolved-
no more questions and then Robert will remove the webpage in question.
http://www.antiaginginfo.net/cancer.htm

If Neways claims are true, then we all walk away with definitive proof this product works.
Then we can all get on with our lives and building our business.

John Szczepanik
GlobalThink.com

3-2-2000

Char,

I am not sure how I got on this mailing list, but I
would like to say this...

I am not taking sides on who is right or wrong in this matter
with people that had a bad experience with Neways biogevity or any
other company...

But I will say this, it is obvious to me that you do not know what you are doing or talking about when you run to organizations like the FDA and the FTC. They are worse than the MLM companies of the world that are trying to do something for the people...The FDA is owned by the big pharmaceutical companies and the AMA. If you think they are out to help you and your family, you are ignorant of the truth... They have so brained washed you that you go running to your enemy for help...

Do you think they are not using people as guinea pigs? Do you think they want you to have any natural means that will keep you healthy? In case you do not know that answer, let me tell you... NO they do not want you well...Since natural products cannot be patented, they only want you to buy their synthetic drugs that they have patented even though they know their drugs do not work! Has diabetes been cured by their drugs? Has arthritis been cured by their drugs? Has heart disease been cured by their surgeries and many drugs? Has cancer been cured by their radiation poisoning and drugs? I am not talking about controlling symptoms but curing the problem. Even their antibiotics do not work anymore! How many drugs have been approved by the FDA that have no side affects? Every drug they have approved has a long list of side affects, many of them very serious. Is this an organization who cares about us? Who pays their salaries? The pharmaceutical companies, that's who. Who benefits from these side affects? Do you, the patient? No, your doctor does and the drug companies do. The FDA knows each drug will cause other problems that your doctor will then be able to prescribe something for the new sickness that the drugs caused in the first place. Nice way to do business, don't you think? Keep people sick so they will buy more drugs, especially when each drug has so many side effects.

Another thing, if the FDA is supposed to be on our side, why did they approve aspartame? What about the different hormones that are injected into our meats that are known carcinogens? They know these hormones cause cancer 100%! There isn't even speculation about it. What about all the pesticides that are sprayed on our veges and fruits? These cause cancer too. What about mercury in our fillings? Mercury is a heavy metal that is extremely dangerous. What about fluoride? Look that up in your dictionary to see what kind of "safe" ingredient fluoride is!

What about these dangerous chemicals that are approved by the FDA that are in so many of our everyday products: acetone - acts on the central nervous system; benzyl alcohol - causes headaches, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, drop in blood pressure and can cause death; camphor - irritation of eyes, nose, and throat, causes dizziness, confusion, nausea, twitching muscles and convulsions; ethanol - this is on the EPA Hazardous Waste list; ethyl acetate - also on the EPA Hazardous Waste list; limonene - carcinogenic; linalol - respiratory disturbances, causes central nervous system disorder; methylene chloride - on EPA, RCRA, CERCLA Hazardous Waste list, carcinogenic. All of these ingredients can be found in shampoos, cologne, perfume, nail polish, nail polish remover, dish soap, laundry bleach, hair spray, etc. The list goes on and on. Sure sounds to me like the FDA is concerned about my health! Seems to me that you need to be attacking the FDA instead of Neways. There are thousands and thousands of people who are hurt every day by FDA approved drugs and chemicals.

It is people like you that are so ignorant you will go running to the big companies that you think are government owned to tighten up the noose on the general public neck just a little bit more. Our freedoms in this country are already being strangled and you don't seem to know it. You are the type that will only make it worse. Do yourself a favor as well as the rest of the common people and let people be in control of their own lives and make their own decisions. Since when do we need someone else like the government that does not have our best interest at heart (only their own) telling us what decisions to make? I don't know about you but I am more than intelligent enough to decide for myself what I will put into my body. I don't need anyone, least of all government, to tell me what to do! I can research for myself if growth hormone or any other product is safe or not! I do not use the product myself...

Sorry if this seems harsh but you need to think about it before you cut your own throat. My friend, I think you have been sidetracked from the real culprits of unsafe products! Don't be so concerned with the little minnow that you miss the shark lurking right under your nose! Go after the government go after the FDA and all their scandals ways...Please do not help them make all the real good stuff the natural illegal...They are trying you know...

Thank you,

Perry
810-743-1306

If you are not a Christian you need to get before God and have a serious talk with Him and get saved...If you are a Christina you need to get with God and ask Him to show you the truth about this world and who is really on your side and who is not...My friend you are not seeing this thing for what it really is...

Sorry to hear about those that have been hurt but a lot more will be hurt than what has if you and others like you go to the enemy for help and ask them to tie our hands just a little tighter...

Thank you,

Perry

Thomas Mower, Sr., president of Neways, Inc. writes....

Mr. Smith:

 

I have been made aware of this web site.  After reading it, I am surprised you would attack Neways for something that happened between you and Mr. McMurray. You are both independent businessmen and distribute Neways products.  This does not make Neways responsible for anything the two of you agreed between yourselves.

 

Personally, I can see that some damage must have occured to you financially. While that is not Neways doing or even involvement, I would like to extend the olive branch and offer to help you out in the promotion and development of your business. Neways is in the business of making distributors successful and I hate to see someone distressed with their relationship with either Neways or another independent distributor.

 

So, I am offering to assist you in providing some resources to help in building your Neways business such as mailers, tapes and new distributor leads. Perhaps this way it can put your business back on track and help you to recover from whatever losses you may have had in your relationship with Mr. McMurray.  I say this because Neways was not involved or even knowledgable of the situation but I would like to see if I could help to soothe any hurt that may have happened and help you to realize the dream that first brought you into Neways.

 

FYI, I have just completed adding even more powerful and effective ingredients in the professional strength, also with a significant increase in concentration due to new technologies I have developed. This product and a new one in a capsule form labeled as "High Force" are exceptionally powerful and have an intensity that we once thought was not achievable.

 

If you want to try and restart your business, please contact me through my assistant Michelle Schaerrer. Her email is michelles@neways.com. Fax is 801 423 7217, phone: 801 423 7170.  I travel a great deal but am in touch with her constantly and can coordinate through her if I am out.  If I am in the office, I will get in touch with you personally to assist you.

 

Hope we can make this work out for both of us.  You should be advised that biogevity is a Neways trademark and I would appreciate it if you would not use it as your web site address.

 

Thanking you for your attention to this matter,

 

Thomas Mower Sr.

President

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